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Question:
I understand that paraplegic men still have the ability to
father children. Is this true, and if so, how?
POSTED 1/28/2000
Carrie, Strathmore, CA, United States, 22, Female,
White/Caucasian, Straight, Clerical, 2 Years of College, Mesg ID
1262000103549
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Question:
Why is it that when a white kid listens to rap and talks
'ghetto,' they are accused of acting black, and when a black kid
talks proper and dosen't listen to hip hop they are accused of acting
white? Are people saying that only African Amercans can talk ghetto
and only white kids can be well-mannered?
POSTED 5/14/2001
Julia, Pasadena, CA, United States, 17, Female, Christian,
black/white/mexican, Straight, student, Less than High School
Diploma, Upper class, Mesg ID 513200135716
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Question:
A friend of mine, a fairly fat guy about 24, has lots of fat on
his chest, and looks like he has breasts. He is starting to wear a
bra because he doesn't want them to sag. It's a compression bra that
holds them firmly; they don't point out. A woman we were talking to
thought it was inappropriate, and that a guy should just let his
breasts sag. What do others think?
POSTED 5/11/2001
Jason G., Newcastle, NA, Australia, 22, Male, Buddhist,
Maori/Asian, Straight, Student, 4 Years of College, Middle class,
Mesg ID 510200143343
Responses:
Your friend should wear the bra. Who cares if he's a guy? If
it'll solve the sagging problem, why not? It's better than having
droopy breasts, which is a turn-off. Also, if he's embarrassed by it,
no one needs to know; it's his own business.
POSTED 5/15/2001
Gloria, Clifton, NJ, United States, 18, Female, Straight, student,
Less than High School Diploma, Middle class, Mesg ID 512200115950
This is a personal decision that your friend should make. Really,
it's important for him to feel as comfortable as possible with his
appearance. Besides, look at all the stuff women wear to enhance
their appearance: push-up bras, stuffing their bras, girdles,
control-top panty hose, etc. So I don't see how there's anything
wrong with a guy wanting to wear something along the same line.
Again, though, regardless of what I or this other woman you were
talking to thinks, the bottom line is that it should be his decision.
POSTED 5/15/2001
Stacey, Boston, MA, United States, <stimply@bigfoot.com>,
28, Female, Middle class, Mesg ID 514200134148
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Question:
I have lived in Toronto all my life. I have traveled to some
cities in the United States and once to Bueanos Aires. I find this
city to be very cold, especially when it comes to meeting women. The
people here are so immersed in their bubble that they think this is
the way everywhere. I see fear in people's eyes. I have to say that
this is the most dysfunctional city on the planet. Move here for six
months and you will see. I used to think it was me, but I have talked
to a lot of people (more than 100) and been vindicated many times.
Toronto is a place where the women walk around like they are special,
but when you talk to them, nothing is there. Even the ones who are
not attractive compared to others walk around like they are queens.
Give me a break. It is so hard to meet women here that you have to be
an asshole to survive. I'm telling you, I am not making this up. The
problem is that if you talk about it, you come across as some whiney
loser. I've had three girlfriends, and I tell you I don't know how I
met them. Blind luck. I would so dearly like to get my revenge on
this bloody city and its dead-like inhabitants. My question is, are
most North American women like this? Are you all cold, calculating,
money-grubbing narcissists? I know what you are going to say. The
usual. But this lonely existence has pushed me so far that I am
forced to debase myself and come here for answers. I am an
average/good-looking guy who is a substitute teacher. But the
coldness here is so great, I defy anyone (especially male) to come
here and tell me a colder place.
POSTED 5/11/2001
Taylor, Toronto, Ontario, NA, Canada, 30, Male,
English/Spanish, Straight, Teacher, High School Diploma, Mesg ID
510200182045
Responses:
You are right ... women in Toronto (and the city in general) are
as 'cold' as it gets. When you were out of the country, you missed
the memo about Toronto being the center of the universe. Somehow
people in Toronto have got it in their head that if you don't wake up
at 4 a.m. to have a two-hour commute to work and stress yourself out
at a job that lasts 18 hours a day with an impending heart attack,
you are not as civilized as them. My answer? Come to Halifax. The
people here (especially the women) are a lot more friendly than those
in Toronto. The cost of living is way cheaper, and we have some of
the best careers just east of Montreal (gas, oil, medical,
bio-science, engineering). There are more universities in Halifax
than any other city in Canada. Other parts of the country say that
'Halifax moves so slow.' My response is that we don't move slow, we
are just more efficient, and therefore aren't scrambling to get
things done. I'll tell you one thing, of all the people I've
known/met who have moved to Toronto, eventually they move back to
where they came from, but the people who have moved to Halifax are
still here. Food for thought.
POSTED 5/14/2001
Murray C., Halifax, Nova Scotia, NA, Canada, 32, Male,
White/Caucasian, Straight, Draftsman, Technical School, Upper middle
class, Mesg ID 514200145253
Don't spend so much time on Bay/Bloor or the ghetto!
POSTED 5/14/2001
Kate, Toronto, Ontario, NA, Canada, 22, Female, 2 Years of
College, Upper middle class, Mesg ID 514200155950
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Question:
Why do black men look good in purple suits, but white men look
like dorks?
POSTED 4/29/2001
P Ryan, Harrow, NA, Canada, Mesg ID 429200143709
Responses:
Someone will probably try and post some response about coloring
of the skin being complimentary or not, so let me try and stop such
nonsense before it starts. The best way to answer your question is to
say that most men look good in suits. It may be that you have had
more instance to notice a black man in a purple suit, a rare
experience on the whole, because some black men will tend to wear
colored suits to stand out in a crowd. Being originally from
Louisiana, where purple is one of the official state colors, I've had
a chance to see several men of both races in purple suits. The
better-looking the man, the better-looking the suit.
POSTED 5/2/2001
Amanda, Boston, MA, United States, 21, Female, Baptist,
Black/African American, Straight, 4 Years of College, Middle class,
Mesg ID 51200151136
It's perfectly normal to use one's coloring as being complementary
to what one wears. Fair people may not look as good in one as darker
people in the same outfit. It's normal, Amanda. Please take your
ultra-political correctness somewhere else.
POSTED 5/3/2001
C.C., Somewhere, NA, Canada, Female, Asian, Straight, 2 Years of
College, Mesg ID 53200133131
It's normal for people to have different opinions, even if that
means they disagree with you, C.C. Please take your self-righteous
attitude somewhere else and stop acting like your opinions are
absolute truth.
POSTED 5/7/2001
D.D., San Francisco, CA, United States, Asian, Mesg ID
542001105142
I don't think it's nonesense to state that skin coloring does play
a role in what colors look good. A white woman and a black woman are
not always able to wear the same color of lipstick and look good in
that shade. Therefore, it stands to reason that skin tone makes a
difference. Darker skin can carry a brighter (for instance, orange)
or deeper color (like purple) better without being overwhelmed by it.
Perhaps that's why the colorful Kente cloth patterns were invented by
Africans.
POSTED 5/7/2001
Cassandra, Chicago, IL, United States, 36, Female, Black/African
American, Administrator, Over 4 Years of College, Middle class, Mesg
ID 56200190500
Actually it's not silly to say the color of skin affects what
colors look good, or perhaps I should say better on someone depending
on the skin tone. I think also the shade of purple matters. I think
darker shades of purple look best on darker skin tones. This may just
be personal taste, but I see a parallel between your question and the
fact that certain shades of makeup look better on certain skin tones;
otherwise the fairest white skin and the darkest skin tones would or
could wear the same shade of makeup and look just as good. I
certainly think the winter/fall/spring/summer hues that makeup comes
in justifies this opinion as to different skin tones looking best in
certain shades of color. Certain colors complement certain skin tones
better. I think with all the different shades of skin people have,
it's not really a black/white issue with regard to wearing purple (or
any other color) but more an issue of your skin tone. Deeper, richer
colors seem to bring out the best in darker skin, and of course the
opposite is true for lighter skin. I'm sure we all wear clothes in
many different colors, but aren't there certain colors that seem to
add a glow to or complement your complexion more so than others?
POSTED 5/7/2001
Sheryl, Warner Robins, GA, United States, 39, Female, Catholic,
Black/African American, Straight, school social services, Over 4
Years of College, Middle class, Mesg ID 562001115639
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Question:
Why do most guys discriminate against gay guys but not
lesbians?
POSTED 5/1/2001
Jennifer M., Central Square, NY, United States, 15, Female,
Catholic, White/Caucasian, Straight, Less than High School Diploma,
Middle class, Mesg ID 51200153929
Responses:
Generally, straight men, for some reason, feel the need to
continually prove their masculinity and manlihood to other males.
It's like they live their entire life trying to justify their
heterosexuality. Call a straight man gay and just watch the reaction.
On the other hand, most straight guys get off on even the idea of
lesbians; this, in no way, questions their masculinity. They think it
strengthens it. It's not fair, but it's the way it is.
POSTED 5/7/2001
A.N., London, NA, United Kingdom, <adam4peace.yahoo.ocm>,
23, Male, White/Caucasian, Gay, 4 Years of College, Mesg ID
54200141303
To A.N.: The male ego is a very sad, dangerous thing. That was
written very well - straight to the point!
POSTED 5/11/2001
Lisa, Gaithersburg, MD, United States, Female, Christian,
Black/African American, Straight, Mesg ID 510200194902
At its most basic, this question is resolved biologically, and I
hope I'm not offending anyone. We live in a patriachal society.
However, straight men have anuses. The anus is an erogenous zone,
regardless of sexual orientation. Gay men have penises. There is
always the implied threat of vulnerability. Another implied threat is
the fear of some straight men that they may potentially be gay,
whereas, they cannot, obviously, be lesbian.
POSTED 5/7/2001
Ben S., London, NA, United Kingdom, <bscaro@hotmail.com>,
32, Male, Rosicrucian, White/Caucasian, Gay, traveler, 4 Years of
College, Lower middle class, Mesg ID 57200135529
Gay men are seen as a sexual threat, no matter how subconscious
that thought may be. Lesbians, however, are 'safe.'
POSTED 5/11/2001
Sarah, San Francisco, CA, United States, 23, Female, Agnostic,
Asian, 4 Years of College, Upper middle class, Mesg ID 58200113418
I don't hate gays, but the best thing I can come up with is that
if you are straight and love women, wouldn't it be cool to have two
women? Also, the man does not feel threatened. And third, it's just a
man thing, you know, like drinkin' beer, watchin' sports, etc. Gay
men are just a threat to straight men altogether, because women can
relate to gay men more then straight men can - that's why they hate
gay men.
POSTED 5/11/2001
Randall F., Purchas, NY, United States,
<ask_weasal@yahoo.com>, 23, Male, Agnostic, Black/African
American, Straight, student, 4 Years of College, Lower class, Mesg ID
511200190445
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Question:
I am an African-American woman with naturally long hair,
slightly above my waist. I wash my hair nearly every day, and shave.
Why is it that other black women don't shave or wash their hair
often? I've heard from other women that daily hair washing strips the
scalp of natural oils, but that is untrue. Hair is hair and requires
daily washing, just like every other part of the body. It seems like
most black women have short hair, but maybe if they wash it it will
grow.
POSTED 5/2/2001
Kimberly, Austin, TX, United States, 27, Female, Muslim,
Black/African American, Straight, housewife, 2 Years of College,
Upper middle class, Mesg ID 512001102154
Responses:
Black hair is quite fragile; in fact, it's more fragile than hair
of other ethnicities. Most blacks have dry scalps, thus washing it
DOES strip away what bit of oil we have. Perhaps you don't find this
to be true because it's not the case with you. Personally, I find it
best to wash, condition and hot-oil my hair and scalp twice a week.
POSTED 5/3/2001
K.C. Tate, Jacksonville, FL, United States, 28, Female, paralegal,
Mesg ID 52200165320
We've been through this countless times on this site; not
EVERYONE, regardless of race, washes their hair every day. It is a
matter of need and personal hygiene, not race. If you need to wash
your hair, wash it. If you have poor hygiene, then you don't wash it.
Race is not an issue. And you do know genetics are a huge factor in
hair growth, don't you? I, too, have longer hair and I wash it once a
week. If I were to wash my hair more than once a week, it would be
completely dried out and damaged. Not only that, but I would be dog
sick and always running late, because my hair is very thick and takes
forever to wash and air-dry, so not only is washing it once a week
the best for MY hair, it is also convenient. Any hairstylist will
tell you hair only needs to be washed when it is dirty. Excessive
hair-washing leads to damage, breakage and oil buildup. I don't know
if you get out much, but you will see many women of all races with
short hair. My black grandmother used to sit on her hair and chooses
to keep it cut short, as does my mother. As far as shaving goes, I
shave. I don't pay attention to who shaves and who doesn't and what
race they are, but again, it's a matter of choice and personal
hygiene. Julia Roberts and Paula Cole have been known to sport
underarm hair, and they're certainly not black. So, to get to the
point, it is a matter of choice, personal hygiene, and need - not
race. What works for you may not work for others.
POSTED 5/3/2001
Lisa, Gaithersburg, MD, United States, Female, Christian,
Black/African American, Mesg ID 522001111141
I'm a little concerned with the self-satisfied tone of your post.
Despite your contention to the contrary, most black hair does not
benefit from daily washing. In fact, overexposure to water tends to
have a drying effect, such that the hair becomes brittle and breaks
much more easily. Women who maintain that daily washing depletes the
natural oils of the scalp are telling it like it is. Really, who are
you to assume that you know better about someone ELSE'S hair? If your
hair grows the way you say, you likely have a different texutre, to
which the standard rules of black hair care may not apply. Well, good
for you. But that doesn't qualify you to give advice to everyone. I
wouldn't be so proud, if I were you. Your hair is probably due to
genetics, and not to any superior knowledge about haircare that you
seem to percieve that you have. As far as shaving is concerned, there
are a lot of women who don't, of all ethnicities. There could be a
variety of reasons: lack of vanity, the idea that if it grows
'there', it belongs 'there', and a fact that may surprise you--some
black men like a hairy woman.
POSTED 5/3/2001
Jennifer, St. Paul, MN, United States, 30, Female, Christian,
Black/African American, Straight, 4 Years of College, Mesg ID
53200195230
To Jennifer: I agree with your contention that this is thinly
disguised biasing. This is an attempt to use personal vanity to lord
it over the heads of those who do not possess that same quality. I
despise the undertone of this originator's commentary because, to me,
this dates back to the slavemaster's theory of 400 years ago. The
contention was that blacks will perpetuate their own slave mentality
if you 1) Pit blacks on the hill against blacks down in the valley;
2) Pit blacks in the valley against blacks up the hill; 3) Pit
Mulatto against the French-born blacks; 4) Pit African-speaking
against English-speaking; 5) Pit freed slave against 'House Niggahs';
6) Pit 'field niggahs' against 'House Niggahs'; and 7) Pit every
slave with a feature different than any other slave against any and
every other slave to upset them about their feature(s). In doing so,
it was projected that the institution of slavery would last nearly
200 years. It lasted well over 400 years and, after reading this
originator's commentary, it seems the principle is still alive and
functioning today. There was no need for this post. This person is
'color' vain and should have kept her vanity in silence, because it
added nothing to the noble purpose of this site. Now, if you want to
talk race and ethnicity with any frankness, Y Forum should get a
staff willing to take on the BS entries BEFORE they post them. In a
great number of the more interesting posts, people have made sincere
statements toward understanding what contributes to many downfalls in
communication that halt our open discussions about race and
ethnicity. Basically, BS is more interesting to read than substance.
People are just people; and we go through so much BS just to be
ourselves that it hinders progress. BS, in whatever form, is designed
to slow...delay progress, and constipate the truth.
POSTED 5/7/2001
G.W. Pettiford, Lake Ridge, VA, United States, 45, Male, Baptist,
Black/African American, Straight, Opinionated, Executive
Administrator, 2 Years of College, Middle class, Mesg ID
57200125831
How you can say 'hair is hair' is beyond me. Take a look around
you - hair comes in many different textures and lengths. Some hair is
naturally oily, other hair is naturally dry. Maintenance is not the
same for all hair types. Nor does the frequency of washing hair have
anything to do with hair growth. Many African-American women have
naturally dry, course, thick hair. Also, many African-American women
relax or process their hair, making it even drier. Daily washing
could make dry, processed hair brittle and cause breakage. For me,
washing my shoulder-length hair twice per week is plenty. By the way,
I have no interest in having waist-length hair, and I'd be willing to
bet that many of my African-American sisters feel the same way.
POSTED 5/7/2001
Alicia, Pensacola, FL, United States, 32, Female, Black/African
American, Mesg ID 542001104629
Most black women do not wear their hair in its natural state. They
don't want it to be coarse and hard to comb - commonly called
'nappy.' Instead, they relax it with chemicals, or even press it with
a hot comb, to make it straight. Then it must be blow-dried, and
curled with a curling iron. These procedures are very time-consuming
to do or have done, and can be expensive if performed in a beauty
shop. So in order to maintain them as long as possible, they don't
want to wet the hair. (Wetting it makes it 'go back' to its natural
state.) Therefore, washing the hair daily is impractical. I wear my
hair in a short natural, and so I can wash it daily, but generally do
it every other day.
POSTED 5/7/2001
Cassandra, Chicago, IL, United States, 36, Female, Black/African
American, Administrator, Over 4 Years of College, Middle class, Mesg
ID 56200185552
Washing your hair every day does strip the scalp of natural oils,
no matter what your ethnicity is. Many black women have perms, weaves
or extensions that can be kept clean and tidy with daily maintenance
and a scarf to sleep in at night. I know many white women with long,
thick curls who don't wash their hair every day because it is too
much to deal with, also. As a black woman, I know that most black
women (particularly with thick, tight curls) do not wash their hair
every day for the same reasons. I wash my locs once a week. Your hair
shouldn't get 'dirty' unless you are rolling around in dirt on a
regular basis.
POSTED 5/7/2001
Samm, Boston, MA, United States, 36, Female, New Age/Metaphysical,
Black/African American, Straight, office manager/artist, 2 Years of
College, Middle class, Mesg ID 52200164700
The implication behind your comments about hairwashing and shaving
is that black women do not have good hygiene. Since you are a black
woman, I am disappointed that you show such contempt for your own
people. Most black women cannot just wash our hair, shake it dry and
go one about our business. Since slavery, caring for our hair has
been a serious challenge because of cultural expectations about what
our hair is supposed to look like. As a result, 90 percent of black
women in this country have some sort of relaxer. The relaxer
seriously weakens the hair shaft, so the hair cannot be manipulated
the same as virgin hair. The hair is so fragile that it's difficult
for many women to grow relaxed hair past their shoulders without
significant breakage. When relaxed hair is washed, it must be
roller-set and dried, or blow-dried and curled with a curling iron.
Either way, if your hair is medium to long, you're talking about
spending up to 90 minutes of your time on hair. Since most black
women are working outside the home and/or raising children, carving
out 90 minutes of time every day just for washing and styling hair is
unrealistic. In addition, even when hair is relaxed, the texture does
not permit hair oils to coat the entire hair shaft. For someone with
fine, straight hair, daily washing is a must, because the hair can
appear greasy sooner because the oil travels faster down the hair
shaft. Most relaxed hair is VERY dry, because several layers of
cuticle are stripped from the hair shaft during the relaxing process.
Because the hair is so weak, it means that washing once or twice a
week is not only appropriate, but recommended by hair care
professionals. As for the shaving, some black women don't shave their
underarms or legs for the same reason some black men don't shave
their faces: They are prone to painful razor bumps where the hair
curls back into the skin. It's not worth that sort of pain just for
cosmetic reasons, so they don't bother.
POSTED 5/7/2001
Cindy, Topeka, KS, United States, 35, Female, African Methodist
Episcopalian, Black/African American, Straight, Manager, Over 4 Years
of College, Upper middle class, Mesg ID 53200154450
I wash my shoulder-length hair a couple of times a week, and the
reason I don't wash it every day is that it's too time-consuming.
Between washing, conditioning, drying and styling, it takes more than
an hour to do my hair, and I don't want to spend that much time on
it. Furthermore, most African-American women's hair is NOT
wash-and-go. Wearing my hair the way I want requires heat styling
(blowdryer, curling iron, flatiron, etc.), which is damaging to the
hair, and shouldn't be done every day. Very few people's hair, of any
race, needs to be washed every day (barring frequent workouts, work
in a dusty environment, etc.). Scalps and hair washed every day get
greasy because they are 'trained' to recondition with oil after being
washed. If the hair is washed less frequently, it will adjust its own
level of oil to the frequency of washing.
POSTED 5/7/2001
Jennifer, Washington, DC, United States, 25, Female, Black/African
American, Straight, Over 4 Years of College, Upper middle class, Mesg
ID 53200162847
Underlying your comment is an assumption that all black or
African-American woman have the same grade of hair. As you should
know, the term African American applies to several shades of color,
several racial mixes, etc. The difference is as simple as straight
vs. kinky, thick vs. fine: genetics. Caucoid hair produces more oil
than Africoid hair. This is a function of environment and necessity.
In Europe, a colder climate, oily hair provided insulation. In
Africa, a warmer climate, this insulation was not needed. Therefore,
the need to wash one's hair every day is necessitated by the
increased oil production and the increased dirt that oil can trap. On
the other hand, women with more Africoid hair would strip their hair
of essential oils if they washed it every day. This is especially
true if a woman relaxes her hair, a process that is particularly
damaging. Is it possible that your hair is more Caucoid than
Africoid? Do you relax your hair, flat comb your hair or wear it
natural? The answers to these questions make a difference in how much
oil your hair produces. I have to relax my hair every three to four
weeks, whereas other African-American female friends relax their hair
every four to six months. That is a difference in the grade of hair.
You also assume that all women want long hair. Is it so inconceivable
that some people like the shorter-cropped style? I think it would
behoove you to look at the world from different standpoints than your
own. Just because you can wash your hair every day does not mean
everyone else could - or should. It is obvious to me from your
question that your exposure to other African Americans, other than
your family, must be quite limited. I am quite used to explaining
this difference to my Caucasian friends, but I never expected to
explain this to a 'sister.' I bet you grew up in all-white
neighborhoods, like I did, but never had the chance to branch out and
meet others of the same race, the same socioeconomic background and
with the same goals and aspirations as yourself. How sad.
POSTED 5/11/2001
Christie, New Orleans, LA, United States, 25, Female, African
Methodist Episcopalian, Black/African American, Straight, Medical
Student, Over 4 Years of College, Upper middle class, Mesg ID
510200190747
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Question:
New York City is undoubtedly one of the most diverse places in
the world. Every race, religion, ethnicity and culture imaginable
calls the Big Apple home, so I don't understand why it seems to be so
racially segregated and has so much racial tension. I find it more
perplexing being that NYC has ALWAYS been this way. How long ago was
the Southern black migration? How long ago was the great Irish and
Jewish immigration? I'd think with this being nothing new, people
would have learned by now to tolerate and accept each other. POSTED
4/29/2001
Lisa, Gaithersburg, MD, United States, Female, Mesg ID
429200132650
Responses:
It's called tribalism. People have a natural tendency to stick to
their own. I live in L.A., which is as diverse (if not moreso) as New
York, and racial tension can get pretty crazy here. Basically, when
you're an immigrant from Russia fresh off the boat, you can't exactly
go live in Little India because you'll stand out like a sore thumb,
and you need people to latch on to for support. This will most
readily come from people similar to the individual, namely other
Russians. Same deal if a refugee from El Salvador attempts to
homeshop in Encino (upscale white/Jewish neighborhood) or a Nigerian
newcomer tries to settle in the middle of Thai Town. This need for
solidarity is understandable, because it means the difference between
sinking and swimming. However, competition for jobs and space causes
conflict, as well as culture clashes. As for the case of
long-established groups in L.A. (Mexican Americans, blacks, whites,
Jews) there is much interaction, and the younger the generation, the
less walls there are for the most part (save geographic ones). Yet
there is still a long way to go, as 150 years of ongoing Los Angeles
racial conflict can't be undone in a short amount of time.
POSTED 5/14/2001
Dan, Los Angeles, CA, United States, 22, Male, Pentecostal,
Hispanic/Latino, student, 2 Years of College, Lower middle class,
Mesg ID 52200151949
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