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Question:

To whites: What is the typical black person to you? What dothey look like and how do they act? How do you view the black race asa whole?

POSTED 7/16/2003

Nydia, Houston, TX, United States, 16, Female, Black/AfricanAmerican, Straight, Less than High School Diploma, Middle class, MesgID 715200382128

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Question:

Why is it that men of any race seem to enjoy making loudnoises, whether it's with power tools, a booming bass or (especially)cars and trucks that have been altered to make more noise? Do theylike the noise that motorcycles make? Don't they appreciatequiet?

POSTED 7/14/2003

Carol W., Fairfax, CA, United States, 43, Female, Agnostic,White/Caucasian, Straight, None, High School Diploma, Middle class,Mesg ID 710200360338


Responses:
While I can't answer for the other items you mention, I can answerfor motorcycles. They are made louder so other motorists can hear thebikes coming. Many drivers are oblivious to bikes on the road orcan't see them. If it is loud, then they are aware of their presenceand are less likely to run over them.

POSTED 7/16/2003

K.C.E., Orlando, FL, United States, 27, Female, White/Caucasian,scientist, 4 Years of College, Middle class, Mesg ID 715200330754


I think this mostly happens when men think there are other menaround who they want/need to compete with. Also, it might beterritorial, telling other men to back off, which just sets up morechallenge. I used to have a straight male roommate who was verymellow and low key, and usually listened to music on headphones. Buthis voice and electronics immediately got louder when other guys cameover. It sounded like they were trying to out-noise each other. Ireally think it is just another version of one-upsmanship.

POSTED 7/16/2003

Betty, San Diego, CA, United States, 29, Female, Wiccan,White/Caucasian, Lesbian, Web Designer, Over 4 Years of College,Middle class, Mesg ID 716200331301

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Question:

I'm a real gypsy (Rroma), and I have noticed a lot of peoplehave stereotypes about my race/culture. Though we may not be widelyrecognized as a real minority group, other than from fairy tales andfantasies, we still receive prejudice and are the subjects ofstereotypes from guyshaye (all other races that are not gypsy).People seem to label us as nothing more than petty thieves andcriminals, and claim we are filthy and dumb compared to others. Whyis this?

POSTED 7/14/2003

cOnFuSed-ChiK, somwhere in Florida, FL, United States, 20,Female, Greek Orthodox, Gypsy, Straight, Self-Employed, 2 Years ofCollege, Middle class, Mesg ID 712200350001


Responses:
I suppose the stereotype is because people tend to remember negativeexperiences more than positive experiences. The honest Gypsies arehome working, going to school and being clean, so most people areonly exposed to the thieving, dirty Gypsies. Also, there's a longtradition in Europe of viewing Gypsies as 'less than,' and bad gypsystories may have been passed down through generations of'Euro-Americans.'

POSTED 7/16/2003

H.J., Los Angeles, CA, United States,<arschloch@pacbell.net>, Mesg ID 716200374948


When I was younger I wasn't allowed to talk to Gypsies because myparents said they were dirty thieves. After thinking this for manyyears I went to Eastern Europe for vacation and found out that infact ... my parents were right! They don't have decent homes(nomads), they abuse animals (dancing bears), they are thieves (theUnited Kingdom's growing problem in airports: Gypsie thieves) andlast but not least, they are dirty. Have you ever taken a look atone? Or even worse, stood by one? Disgusting is the only word I canuse to describe the stench.

POSTED 7/16/2003

Aleksandra, na, na, United Kingdom, 26, Female, OrthodoxChristian, White/Black American, Straight, Public Relations Director,Over 4 Years of College, Upper class, Mesg ID 7162003101952

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Question:

Is it true that lesbians don't use protection during sex?

POSTED 7/16/2003

Rachel, Swartz Creek, MI, United States, Female, Mesg ID715200370622

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Question:

During a conversation with my former boss (he is white), hetold me I was 'very articulate for a black man.' I've heard this atleast three times since then. Is it assumed among whites that blacksare ignorant?

POSTED 7/14/2003

Marcus S., Sacramento, CA, United States,<striderhiryu81@yahoo.com>, 22, Male, Christian, Black/NativeAmerican/Irish, Straight, Office Assistant, 2 Years of College, Lowermiddle class, Mesg ID 713200315547


Responses:
In the United States black people 'seem' to have a distinctive speechthat you can easily point out without seeing the person. So when youdon't sound that way, you are automatically thought of as"articulate" because you sound "white."

POSTED 7/16/2003

Denisia, Fairfax, VA, United States, Female, Black/AfricanAmerican, Mesg ID 715200345843


No, whites don't assume that blacks are ignorant. At least, Idon't. I do, however, recognize that the stereotype of the ignorant,lazy black man has been with us since the days of slavery. The mediahas participated in its perpetuation by enlisting the aid of blackpeople to portray butlers and maids, menial laborers, prisonconvicts, drug dealers, junkies, whores, etc. Generally, I believethe 'articulate' comment was directed at your method of speaking.Blacks have a lingo all to themselves (to the point the OaklandPublic School System wanted to teach their predominantly blackstudent population using the language: Ebonics). The trouble is,those speaking the black lingo give off the appearance of not knowing(or caring) how the English words are pronounced: 'axe' instead of'ask,' for example. This deliberate mispronunciation may have itsroots in black pride, but also gives the impression of ignorance ofthe English language. However, the reverse is also true: Britainswatching Jerry Springer have the definite opinion that the averagewhite American is toothless, sleeps with their daughter's son'sgirlfriend, lives in a trailer and speaks with a distinct Southerntwang.

POSTED 7/16/2003

Doug, Phoenix, AZ, United States, 40, Male, New Age/Metaphysical,White/Caucasian, Gay, Administrator, 2 Years of College, Middleclass, Mesg ID 715200352131


Unfortunately, many whites do think black people are inarticulate,and believe they're paying you a compliment by informing you thatyou're 'well-spoken' (or however they phrase it). Not long ago I hada white customer where I work who couldn't wait to tell me she hadonce met Condoleezza Rice, and had told her how well she spoke. I betCondie felt like slapping her - I know I wanted to.

POSTED 7/16/2003

E.D., Kansas City, MO, United States, 46, Female, Black/AfricanAmerican, Mesg ID 715200391207

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Question:

Why is it that Asian women insist on dragging their feet whenthey walk? I have noticed that whenever I hear or see someonedragging their feet on the sidewalk, 90 percent of the time it is anAsian woman. I find it very sloppy.
POSTED 7/7/2003
Trixie, Toronto, Ontario, NA, Canada, Female, Mesg ID613200384506


Responses:
I'm Chinese and have never seen any Asian women 'drag their feet'when they walk. Are you talking about all Asian women, or just oldwomen? It would make sense that the elderly would shuffle their feetsince they are old.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Blunt, San Francisco, CA, United States, Mesg ID 79200310843


These Asian women, are they wearing pumps, high heels, zoris ortennis shoes when they're dragging their feet?

POSTED 7/14/2003

Marsha, Bakersfield, CA, United States, Female, Mesg ID710200344913


I've noticed this also for years, but it's not only the women. Themen are contributors to the 'dragging' syndrome. I work in Detroitfor the automotive industry, which is very diversified, and this hasmystified me for a long time. Anytime I hear that sound, it is alwaysa person of Asian ethnicity.

POSTED 7/16/2003

Kathleen, Waterford, MI, United States, 42, Female, Agnostic,White/Caucasian, Straight, Engineer, High School Diploma, Middleclass, Mesg ID 716200371314

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Question:

Does simply receiving oral sex from another boy for the firsttime mean I've lost my virginity?

POSTED 7/16/2003

Daniel, London, NA, United Kingdom,<quantumterror@hotmail.com>, 16, Male, Agnostic,White/Caucasian, Straight, Mesg ID 715200365324

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Question:

Why does the media ignore African-American celebrities withpolitically incorrect views, but then crucifies white conservativeslike Charlton Heston for their unorthodox views? Movies like 'BowlingFor Columbine' portray Heston as a lunatic and crazed Nazi, whilemovies like 'Ali' portray Muhammad Ali as the epitome of heroism,even though he was a member of the Nation of Islam. According to theNation's doctrines, black people are superior 'gods' and white peopleare genetically inferior 'devils' created 6,000 years ago by a madscientist named Yacub. If an athlete like Ali believes that otherraces are inferior to his, how does what he believe differ from whatpitcher John Rocker believes? If both John Rocker and Muhammad Alibelieve their races are superior, why does the media only crucifyRocker and not Ali for their racist views?
POSTED 7/7/2003
B.V., Toronto, Ontario, NA, Canada, Male, Catholic, White/Caucasian,Straight, 4 Years of College, Middle class, Mesg ID 6162003111057


Responses:
I think it's because for many years, black people weren't allowedthe 'opportunity' to have opinions on anything, much less raceequality. No one wants to be associated with the ignorance of racism,so no one is going to argue with a black man's racist ideas, lestthey be seen as being anti-black. Whites were able to 'get away' withmaking racist statements for those many years, and now it's notacceptable. At some point, it won't be acceptable for anyone.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Abby, Memphis, TN, United States, 26, Female, Methodist,White/Caucasian, Straight, homemaker, 4 Years of College, Middleclass, Mesg ID 77200365058


I imagine it's because Muhammad Ali hasn't said much of anythingpublicly in quite some time. The media reports current events.'Crucifying' Ali today would be akin to dragging up George Wallace,who hasn't publicly expressed racist views in years. What's new orinteresting about decades-old racist statements? Additionally, onemust consider the social context. John Rocker made racist statementspost-political correctness. His statements were inappropriate for thetime. Muhammad Ali was most vocal during a time when racist speechwas part of everyday conversation.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Sunny, New Orleans, LA, United States, Female, Black/AfricanAmerican, Grad Student, Over 4 Years of College, Middle class, MesgID 78200383137


I guess it has become acceptable for black Americans to get awaywith promoting 'their race' no matter how much truth they omit. It isridiculous that a racist organization such as the NationalAssociation for the Advancement of Colored People can get away withwhat they do daily. If an organization such as the NationalAssociation for the Advancement of White People took on the sameagenda, they would be called racists, there would be riots, a lot ofproperty damage and a lot of white people hurt. The reason we don'tsee extremes in white society is that we know that we would have topay the consequences because black Americans have proven they areviolent and find it almost impossible to be moral, fair and honest.We don't crucify Ali because we would pay dearly for it.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Dave, Jacksonville, FL, United States, 49, Male, Catholic,American Indian, Straight, Mental Health, 4 Years of College, Middleclass, Mesg ID 79200320334


Do blacks have the history of oppression and violence againstother people because of their skin color like whites? Do whites haveto constantly live under negative stereotypes that affect, or Ishould say, make life a bit more difficult for them in society? No.Although I don't agree with the Islamic theory you mentioned in yourquestion, looking at the history of blacks and how they have beentortured by whites in past eras, wouldn't it make sense that theywould come to ponder such things? It isn't right to assume anyone isinferior, but at least with blacks I can say the ones that feel thatway have reason behind their feelings. Whites, on the other hand,have always been the oppressor. When they preach about inferiority ofanother race, it isn't because that race actually DID something tothem, but rather that they don't like someone looking different fromthem. I also want to add that Islam isn't the only religion that hasinferiority theories. For example, some Christians believe thatblacks are inferior because of Ham's sin, which caused him and hisgenerations to be suppressed by his two brothers and theirgenerations. The Bible is also full of references of how the Hebrewpeople were the chosen ones, while I guess everyone else was dirt.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Kristina, Washington, DC, United States, 22, Female, Black/AfricanAmerican, Straight, 2 Years of College, Upper class, Mesg ID792003110944


Let's look at what you said. You're comparing what Charlton Hestonsaid in a documentary vs. what Will Smith -an actor playing MuhammadAli - said in a movie that was based on a true story. And you'rewondering where's the outrage and vilification from the media?Apparently you're too young to remember the rage white America felttoward Ali during the '60s and '70s, when every word out of the man'smouth was deemed to be advocating hate and violence toward whitepeople. The media was all over him, whether it be his stance on theVietnam War or his opinions about race. Just like the media iscritical of Al Sharpton, Reggie White, Jesse Jackson, LouisFarrakhan, Sammy Sosa, Dusty Baker or any minority who says somethingcontroversial. My point is that the 'crucifixion' of Ali took placeyears ago, and to compare what Ali thought about whites years ago towhat he thinks now will lead to just the type of question you areposing. Political correctness is a fairly new concept, mind you, andit didn't exist during Ali's time because, frankly, whites didn'tgive a hoot about being sensitive to minorities. And there are stillplenty of whites who continue to think of blacks as being sub-humanand permanently cursed by Noah, and guess what they are called:Christians.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Michael F., Chicago, IL, United States,<masterghen@yahoo.com>, 25, Male, Baptist, Black/AfricanAmerican, Straight, unemployed, Over 4 Years of College, Middleclass, Mesg ID 79200342535


I have the answer to your question my friend: the Jews run themedia. Every major network and every major newspaper in the UnitedStates is owned by Jews. The zionist Jews want to portray blacks andother minorities as heroes because it encourages race-mixing, whichwill eventually destroy the white race. Just look at SumnerRedstone's (a Jew) MTV. You hardly ever see whites on there unlessit's an interracial couple. Even the notoriously racist BET (BlackEntertainment Network) is owned by a Jew. Jews are so liberal in ourcountry, yet In Israel, they won't even allow someone citizenshipwithout having Jewish ancestry. They lobby for gun control in ourcountry, yet in Israel, the average citizen can carry an Uzi down thestreet. They have used the Holocaust as a billion-dollar business togain them money and sympathy. They make up roughly 2.5 percent of theU.S. population yet control close to half of our government. You callthat fair representation? America needs to wake up.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Chris E., Stafford, VA, United States, 36, Male, Agnostic,White/Caucasian, Straight, molecular biologist, Over 4 Years ofCollege, Upper class, Mesg ID 79200345659

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I guess it is because white people in history had the reputationof being racist, or thought that they were above everyone. Peoplereally haven't seen other races that way, so when they do it now itisn't as big of a deal. I think that it is almost worse to hear of ablack or Jewish person who is racist because of what their peoplewent through.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Duck, Fairfax, VA, United States, Mesg ID 710200375333


You're right. Racism is racism, no matter what persuasion theracist is. I think that a lot of blacks look the other way when itcomes to things like this because they mistakenly feel that wesomehow have the right to be racist considering our history. Isometimes hear things being said about whites by my peers that shockme. In these instances, I always speak up. I think part of the reasonthis goes on is that no one's making it an issue - probably for fearthey'll be labeled a racist if they're white and an Uncle Tom ifthey're black.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Finesse, Pittsburgh, PA, United States, 30, Female, Black, Mesg ID711200314119


You start off by saying that Ali WAS a member of the Nation ofIslam. Note the past tense. So was Malcolm X. Both left the Nation ofIslam after realizing that neither race is superior. It is not hiscurrent belief. You have made a presumption not based on facts. Pastbelief does not equal current belief. Ali was jailed and 'crucified'for his beliefs back then. Later, he proved his faith was true, andhe embraced Islam wholeheartedly, especially after completing theHajj. Rocker has not exactly been remorseful about his remarks, soforgiveness is unlikely to occur.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Gonzo, Denver, CO, United States, 35, Male, Pagan, Hispanic/Latino(may be any race), Straight, Military, 4 Years of College, Uppermiddle class, Mesg ID 7122003113807


It is a bit of a double standard. I think the idea is that becauseof 'white guilt,' whites are expected to be more tolerant than blacksare, and especially to be more careful about what they say. Peopleare very quick to call a white person a racist, and that person mightbe extremely uncomfortable with such a label (unless they areracist). Fewer black folks have qualms about being called racist, andmany don't even believe they can be racist. Basically, I think itboils down to which kind of racism is perceived as most threatening -or embarrassing. John Rocker is a reminder of an era we'd just assoon forget, but few people feel threatened by some pro-black form ofinstitutionalized racism promoted by what amounts to a fringe group.But whatever the reason, neither is harmless nor should be consideredacceptable.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Djona, Fairfax, VA, United States, 28, Female, Atheist,Black/African American, Straight, Software engineer, Over 4 Years ofCollege, Upper middle class, Mesg ID 7142003120540


Excuse me, Dave: For one thing, black folks don't have a claim oncommitting crimes or violence any more than anyone else on thisplanet. Furthermore, if you would do some research on the NAACP'shistory, you'd find it was created at a time - in the early 20thcentury - when white people could not only say whatever they wantedbut commit virtually any kind of atrocity you can imagine againstblack people - hangings, killings, shootings - for often no otherreason than the simple fact that they could get away with it andnever suffer the consequences. They are not a racist organization,and their job is to watch out for discrimination toward black folks -which still goes on in this day and age, whether you want to believeit or not. And as for the Nation of Islam, puh-lease. MinisterFarrakhan was crucified in the media for years -and rightly so - forhis anti-Jewish views. I find it funny now that in the past couple ofyears since he's toned down his rhetoric a great deal and hasexpressed more interest in working with Jewish organizations, themedia has completely forgotten his existence. And since when did onlywhite people have a claim on being fair and honest? Try telling thatto the people who worked for Enron and got robbed of all their lifesavings by their own bosses. To B.V.: What other African-Americancelebrities with politically incorrect views are you talking about?Ali hasn't been spouting these views for years, and you can't evencompare what he said with what Rocker said, because Ali had to fightagainst the stereotypes of what a black boxer was supposed to do in amuch more racist time. Another thing: both the NAACP and the NationOf Islam, even for their rhetoric, have never burned a cross in frontof a white person's home, ran them out of their neighborhood orthreatened to wipe them out. The Klan and other white supremacistgroups are known for doing all these things, so why the hell haven'tyou acknowledged that fact?

POSTED 7/16/2003

G.K., Detroit, MI, United States,<kgreene12_248@hotmail.com>, 30's, Female, Christian,Black/African American, Straight, Security Guard, 2 Years of College,Lower middle class, Mesg ID 715200351007

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Question:

Why do lesbians dress in what amounts to a costume oflesbianism? I know several lesbians who know quite well that wearingtheir hair one way would be more becoming in terms of style, butnevertheless they wear it in a fashion that clearly identifies themas lesbian. The same thing applies to dress. Do they want people toknow that they are members of a particular set, identifyingthemselves primarily by their sexual orientation? If that is notcorrect, I'd like some help in understanding this.
POSTED 7/7/2003
Lea, Austin, TX, United States, <frlww@aol.com>, Female, MesgID 6212003115427


Responses:
There's a gay bar in the town I live in that has a predominantlylesbian crowd. We took a straight female friend in there with us onenight - her dress style is more hippie-chick than anything else - anda group of lesbians actually chided her for looking 'too fem.' Shetold them she wasn't a lesbian and to kindly mind their own business,after which we left. The next time we were in there I asked a lesbianfriend what's with the lesbian 'uniform' (short, cropped hair, whitemen's t, no bra, flannel shirt left open and either loose-fittingjeans or chinos and black riding boots). Her explanation was that iswas the 'pink triangle' of the new millennium. I don't know if I buythat, though. I see it as pack or gang mentality.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Mike, Santa Cruz, CA, United States, 42, Male, Humanist, Gay, Over4 Years of College, Middle class, Mesg ID 79200351557


I think it is done to try to let other lesbians know she is gayand maybe available. Because most women are not gay, it is not easyto find a girlfriend without sending out signals. Also, if she isinvolved with someone, it might just be a sign of solidarity, as whenpeople wear yellow ribbons to show support for the troops. It makeslife easier to know there are more like you out there.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Sally, Stanford, CA, United States, Female, Mesg ID 710200332243

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Question:

Why do Hispanics call white people gringos?
POSTED 7/7/2003
Debra S., Columbus, OH, United States, 48, Female, Buddhist,White/Caucasian, Straight, RN, 2 Years of College, Middle class, MesgID 622200335045


Responses:
It's a term I've never heard used in my life by Latinos who were bornhere. I've only heard it said in Mexico, or in old movies. It's notan epithet, ilt's more along the lines of saying 'Yankee,' with whichit's used interchangeably. Originally it came from the Spanish word'griego,' or Greek. In other words, someone you can't understand.Some of the more sanitized versions told so white kids won't havetheir feelings hurt say it's from an old song 'Green go the Rushes.'

POSTED 7/14/2003

A.C.C., Phoenix, AZ, United States, 37, Male, Mexican and AmericanIndian, Mesg ID 77200325620


In Mexico last year, I was told the answer to this and laterverified it. In the 1930s (I think), Mexico was having some internalissues and the United States sent the Green Berets to 'keep thepeace.' The Mexican people did not appreciate this and would say'Green Go', or Green Beret, go home. It evolved into Gringo.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Dave, Tampa, FL, United States, 34, Male, Jehovahs Witness,White/Caucasian, Straight, CSR, Technical School, Middle class, MesgID 710200355736


There are two theories: One is that in Mexico, the locals toldU.S. soldiers 'Green Go Home,' referring to the green uniforms. GreenGo Home was shortened to Green Go, hence 'gringo'. The other theoryis that it is a corruption of the Spanish word for Greek, 'griego,'but at one point evolved to 'gringo.' The connection with Greek wasthe fact that foreigners could not be understood, but why they choseGreek is beyond me. Another thing: gringo does not refer to a whiteperson. A black American will also be called a gringo if he or shevisits Latin America. A Hispanic born in the States (as myself) isalso considered a 'gringo.'

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Luis, New York, NY, United States, 24, Male, Hispanic/Latino (maybe any race), Straight, 2 Years of College, Mesg ID 712200351541


There are a number of theories about this one. Contrary to onecolorful legend, it is not because the defenders of the Alamo sang'Green Grow the Rushes O' just before the Mexicans attacked. Theexplanation generally accepted by experts on language is that itderives from 'griego,' the Spanish word for 'Greek,' ultimatelyextended to other European nationalities.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Campbell M., Glasgow, NA, United Kingdom, 43, Male, Atheist,White/Caucasian, Straight, asperger's syndrome, school crossingpatroller, 4 Years of College, Mesg ID 713200390108

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Question:

Quite a few Christians go around saying that if you commitsuicide, you won't go to heaven. Why do they consider it a sin, andhow popular is this belief among Christians worldwide?
POSTED 7/7/2003
Rob S., Poole, NA, United Kingdom, <rms6859@yahoo.com>, 27,Male, Christian, White/Caucasian, Mesg ID 77200362538


Responses:
I wouldn't call the belief so much 'popular' as 'accepted.' It goeslike this: murder is a sin so serious as to exclude someone fromheaven, suicide is murder of oneself, and even if one is determinedto repent of it after the deed is done (before the soul leaves thebody), one has no guarantee that they will live long enough to getthis chance. Some people who commit suicide have despaired ofsalvation as well as life. Most Christian moral theologians nowadayssay that suicides act under compulsion or when one is not in theirright mind, but this is flawed because a person unconcerned with lossof salvation (e.g., an atheist or believer in universal salvation)might have a perfectly rational reason for wanting to end their life.Living in extreme physical or mental agony with no other way outwould be an example of this.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Augustine, Columbia, SC, United States, 42, Male, Catholic,White/Caucasian, Over 4 Years of College, Middle class, Mesg ID772003125836


If someone said that to me, then I would ask them to show it to mein the Bible. I have yet to see the scripture that says suicide is asin, but I have read in the Bible at Exodus 20:13 where God saysquite plainly 'you must not murder.' There and in other scriptures wecan see that God values human life. It would be a great disrespect tothe Giver of all life for a person intentionally destroy anotherhuman life, no matter how it is done (murder, suicide, abortion,whatever).

POSTED 7/14/2003

Chandra, Detroit, MI, United States,<chandra_floyd@yahoo.com>, 26, Female, Jehovahs Witness,Black/African American, Secretary, 2 Years of College, Lower middleclass, Mesg ID 77200345050


Suicide is killing someone. Therefore to commit suicide is tocommit murder, which is violating one of the ten commandments. Godgives life, and only He can take a life. That is the reasoning behindsuicide being a sin. It is not universally accepted in Christianitythat suicide is a sin. When Christ died for our sins, He paid for allour sins. Although one cannot deliberately sin and say that His sinis covered, some people have been under the influence of drugs, orother influences and feel that life is no longer tolerable. Havingsaid all this, if Christ is living in us, we are no longer our own.We belong to Christ. When we run out of our resources, we are to callon His resources.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Arnold U., Edmonton, Alberta, NA, Canada, Male, Mesg ID77200363736


In Catholic dogma, if you commit suicide, you will not go toheaven, or at least that is how it used to be. Many other religionsfelt the same way. The reasoning behind this was that life is sacredand a gift from God and to throw it away would show a lack of regardfor this gift. But as times change, so does religion. Some have begunto reason that a sane person cannot commit suicide. So they startedasking if a crazy person is responsible for their own actions. Andbecause the Bible speaks very little of insanity or suicide, thereligions are forced to answer the question without much guidance. 1John 4:8 says that God is love... and would it be loving for Him tojudge someone who is not in their right mind? That is not logical. Infact, the Bible speaks of God's four attributes as Love, Justice,Wisdom and Power. For Him to be truly loving, truly just and trulywise, He would take all factors into consideration. Which raises thequestion about sane people knowingly killing themselves and how Godfeels about that - i.e. cigarettes. But that is another question.

POSTED 7/14/2003

Dave, Tampa, FL, United States, 34, Male, Christian,White/Caucasian, Straight, CSR, Technical School, Middle class, MesgID 710200362505

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